Now that you’ve played Dr. Calder a number of times, in what ways do you relates to her as compared to how you related to Jaime Sommers?
Lindsay Wagner: Well they both work really long hours. Doing a series is always pretty grueling. I don’t know that I relate the two characters, to be honest with you. Dr. Calder is very – she’s very seasoned, she’s mature, she’s – Jaime was very young and optimistic. Not that Dr. Calder isn’t optimistic, I don’t mean to be saying that. But, Jaime had a lot of enthusiasm based on a lack of experience, if you will. And encountered difficulties and painful life lessons as all young people do and was in a very exaggerated circumstance, obviously.Dr. Calder’s been through that state already and is very clear about what’s going on in her life and in the strange life that she lives, which is – the only way I can really compare the two is that – and it’s not exactly the same. But, that Jaime had to live a secret like, right, she had two lives. That’s similar in that Dr. Calder lives a life out in the world and covertly goes and does this work for the warehouse. And so…I think – I guess those two – I never, you know, you ask that question and I thought there’s absolutely nothing in common but, I’ve never even thought about comparing the two before. So, I’m having to kind of think this through as I answer.But those are two odd things that they have in common is they’re having to live double lives and that always brings about certain life challenges. It’s just that Dr. Calder’s been doing it for such a long time that noting is new or odd to her. Whereas Jaime, everything was like whoa God, what’s going on here. So their characters are pretty different.
Well how do you view her energy with Artie now in their collective troop going forward?
Lindsay Wagner: Well, I feel that both of them have been through so much with all the years that they’ve been doing what they’ve been doing and for Dr. Calder certainly living a double like, Artie kind of has a mono life because he doesn’t have to pretend anything, that’s all he does. And because she has to hide what she does in the other relationships that she has, her relationship with Artie is something that allows Vanessa to be all of who she is. She can be completely herself with him because she doesn’t have to hide anything, obviously. And that’s very difficult, you know, even in the so-called real world people who work for our government, CIA agents, things like that.You know, they – they’re living private lives out of necessity that – for their own safety and for the way that the whole espionage type world is set up. And that’s the kind of thing that Vanessa’s having to live all the time, is living this double life and it’s very – one can only imagine that it’s very stressful and uncomfortable to never be able to just relax, say what you want to say, be how you want to be, just be open. And I think that for Vanessa that is such a joy to be in an intimate relationship with someone who – sorry about the old granddaddy clock here – where she can truly be all of herself. That’s a blessing for anybody, you know, when we find people who unconditionally love us and we can just be whoever we are, that’s something that’s really wonderful for Vanessa and I know for Artie too.
What is it about Warehouse 13 and the experience on working on the show that keeps you going back?
Lindsay Wagner: Oh, the people are so nice. The actors are also nice. Jack is just a joy to work with and all the producers that work and write there. It’s a lovely set. I was very blessed on Bionic Woman to have a wonderful crew and I’ve guest starred and done various things on different places and people are nice but, there’s – sometimes there’s this special thing that happens and it’s just like family and that is what the Warehouse set is like.So, more than anything, it’s the joy of working with the people that I’m working with. They’re good actors, Artie’s a – I mean, Saul is a wonderful actor, always has been. And watching the young people on the show who are all pretty young and green just blossom and become wonderful actors in their own right develop their characters, that’s been really fun for me too.I just love hanging out with them and working with them is fun, even if it’s grueling hours.
Would you ever consider returning to series television as a regular?
Lindsay Wagner: I would and yes, I’m kind of sniffing around for things and looking at some different concepts, been talking with my agent about it lately. It’s definitely a possibility.
I know you probably can’t talk to us too much about the episode but could you tell us anything about what brings Vanessa to the warehouse this time and tease us a little bit about what to expect?
Lindsay Wagner:Well actually, it’s not a warehouse. I had a bit of my gag order taken off here today. Actually, Artie and Vanessa have been taking rendezvous together and so we start out at one of our rendezvous places. That day we decided to take the relationship to another level and so the adventure takes place out in the world where they’re meeting up thinking that they were going to have a nice quiet weekend together, which Alice, who escapes from the mirror kind of wreaks havoc on our weekend together.
Wow, that sounds like an action packed episode.
Lindsay Wagner: It pretty much is. I – yes, she pretty much makes me go crazy in the process.
On a different note, you were just talking about returning to television. Did I read that you’re going to be involved in the Scruples remake?
Lindsay Wagner: Yes, I narrated the pilot for them – the pilot episode.
How – was it fun revisiting that story? I grew up in the 70s and I remember…
Lindsay Wagner: Yes.
…the original and how…
Lindsay Wagner: Well…it was – yes, it was an interesting experience because I didn’t even really get to see the episode. I just kind of had to go in and wing it. You know, there are redoing exactly. They make – obviously, they made a series out of it and so they’re building their story as they do. Although some of the – a lot of the beats are the same. Yes, it was very interesting. But because I’m not narrating it as Billy, that was very touch actually. It was difficult trying to find the voice of a character that we’ve developed one way. It was the voice of the – her friend the…
The roommate from New York.
Lindsay Wagner: No, the journalist. And I think they’re kind of playing her – they’re trying to find the voice that they want to use of it. So, it was interesting. I love doing voice over though, that was real – that was fun to kind of sit in a room and massage it and work it and not have to worry about makeup and hair and all that stuff.
I have to ask, what is the greatest gift you have received since practicing meditation?
Lindsay Wagner: I think the ability to relax and let everything go and be fully in the moment. To just experience being alive and enjoy being alive. The – we tend to experience so much through our lives, most of it actually, until we kind of get a handle on it, of all the facts in our life and kind of like our thoughts become what we think life is.And meditation and the various techniques also – the other techniques that help you be able to calm your mind and meditate are just simply kind of be calm and be present without always analyzing and comparing and all those things that the mind wants to do all the time, which kind of makes us think that we are the mind.But we aren’t and in know the spontaneous spark of life, if you will, that when we’re fully in the present, whatever is going on around us, to be able to experience that without all of that mind chatter is a really wonderful experience and meditation is definitely something that’s helped me be able to do that.And at times, when you’re meditating, if you can’t even do it when your eyes are open and you’re walking around, at least your body has a few minutes of being fully relaxed. I mean, there’s a lot. I don’t know it’s – I don’t know that I can name the one single thing that’s kind of the idea.
Ever wanted to dust off your dancing shoes and be a celebrity guest star on one of those reality dancing shows.
Lindsay Wagner: Not really. That’s not my strong suit, I must say. Never had…
What traits of yours have you seen have come from Jaime Sommers and are there any traits of Vanessa’s that you’ve adapted to your own, Lindsay?
Lindsay Wagner: What traits of Jaime’s have I adopted? Is that what you said?
Yes, for your own that you were like, wow that takes me back.
Lindsay Wagner: I’m not sure I can answer the question the way it was asked. I – because for me when I’m developing the characters I look for ways to develop them from within myself. So it’s more about finding things in me that I infuse in them.Now, I’m – you know, Jaime was all about espionage and I certainly didn’t adopt that in my personal life but even the idea of having children in the show. You know, Ken and I talked about it – about how to make the character more dynamic. The more we got to know each other the more we were able to flush out the character.And in Dr. Vanessa, like I was talking about kind of living in two different worlds. The traditional world, which we all kind of live in and came from and this other world, well a lot of the meditation and the healing techniques and the things that have learned over the years and that I teach in my workshops and retreats, that’s the kind of thing that she would be doing. Working with energy, not understanding that everything is energy, that the body is energy, that even the table is energy but it feels like dense matter. It’s just the way our sensors perceive that energy that’s moving slower, makes it feel like it’s a hard thing to us.But, Vanessa kind of works in both of those worlds. She works in a very traditional medical world and she works pretty much in the energy world. One of the things that was so much fun for me in the very first episode, I don’t remember if we talked about this in a previous interview but, was that the writers went on my website. And they – one of them was familiar with one of the techniques that I teach, which is a tapping technique that you do on your own acupuncture points to release emotional charge of fear or even physical pain.And the – and so they put that in the show, they didn’t quite get it right but they gave me some freedom to kind of adlib and make it my own and actually do the process with him a little bit. And so if you look at that very first episode when I say have you been doing your tapping and he says, sure and I know he’s lying, right, so I’m tapping around on his face and his body. That is actually a technique that I teach in my workshop. It’s an amazing technique and so I kind of bring things from my life and they just kind of start to blend.
I was wondering if you have felt that there is a difficulty in Hollywood in getting good roles at your age, because I’m really pleased to see as a romantic lead in Warehouse 13. Those episodes are delightful and I love seeing that, that a character is – doesn’t have to be 20 to be the romantic lead. But I want to – kind of want to know your thoughts on that, what Hollywood gives to women who are our age and your thoughts on playing Dr. Vanessa in light of that.
Lindsay Wagner: Well, I’ve only recently started kind of going back and looking at what’s really going on there. I mean, there’s a few shows that I like, I – my mom introduced me to. I kind of – you know, I’m just not all that familiar because I’ve been in this – doing this other work for the last 8 – 10 years. And I’m just recently starting to get back into the industry, therein, looking at what’s really going on there. I just don’t watch a lot of it to begin with, so I’m not the best person maybe to ask about that.But, certainly, them being willing to write a romantic story about older people who aren’t dead, you know, is very wonderful and courageous. It’s actually something that hasn’t really been done much ever, I think, in the history of television. Or movies, there’s the odd movie, there’s the occasion movie that where it comes out and say oh wow, that’s right, people are still alive and vital and, you know, have all the same qualities of human beings once they pass 50, you know.And – but they certainly are – have been few and far between forever, really. I think from my viewpoint. And I honestly don’t know much to say about it other than I’m thrilled that they were willing to do that and in the midst of something so odd to do it in. You know what I’m saying. The…this show was an odd one to do it but I really applaud the courage and the creativity of, you know, of Jack the producer and all the writers involved for doing it.
What kinds of entertainment you do enjoy, what kind of books you like to read, movies you like to see. You know, we see – we talk to all these people who are on these science fiction programs, which is my main interest in literature and everything but I’m curious to know what yours would be.
Lindsay Wagner: Yes, it’s typically not science fiction. I tend to read more – because I study a lot with, you know, that holistic type modalities and things like that and I – so I read a lot of things that people are doing that I’m learning about, things that are helpful for people and kind of sorting through that kind of thing.When I read I’m typically reading something like that, either self-help, spiritual or – I did read a couple of – I mean, when my – I think I read – this may sound silly – I read more – growing up dyslexic, I did not get into the groove of reading. So I must admit that reading isn’t a strong suit of mine, although I don’t have any problems with it anymore. I seem to have gone through an amazing, you know, dealing with that over the years and I can read just fine, it’s just that I think early on you either learn to read and are passionate about reading stuff.I found myself being impatient when – even reading a good book, which I tried. My mother is an avid read. She loves reading, she loves reading stories and (unintelligible) development. To me I find I’m impatient with it. I didn’t get into the leisure experience of doing that because it was years before I could do that as an adult. And so, I didn’t learn that, I – so for me, reading stories that people love, it’s like come on just get to the point. Where are we going with this? And yes, yes, interesting character but, you know, you could’ve said that in seven words.I never – honestly, and I’m embarrassed to say, I never developed the – I can read a little bit of that but then I do get impatient with it, I must admit. So I was kind of – that’s why I think some of the books that are studying that get right to the point for me are.- and even then sometimes I get impatient with – which is funny, I’m bearing one of my odd little sides to you here.But as far as the art of it all, films and/or television and things, I think I’m very excited to see that – one of the things I can say about television today, not about women or older women, that – but just in general is the intelligence is coming back to television. It’s – it seemed like for a while this stupider you could make people look, the more it would sale and I never have understood that but, intelligence is coming back. You’ve got the, you know, Suits, for example, and violent shows like – oh, what’s that one with the – he’s an art thief but he works for the FBI – White Collar.White Collar, for example, who’s – you know, they have – I mean, whether you are a fan of it or not, it’s just something that they’re still seeing a successful show that doesn’t have to have violence in it and all of the, I think, neat, cheap tricks that things are call on to be sensationalistic to get people’s attention too. You know, I’m so excited to see things coming back that aren’t grasping on to the lowest kind of common denominator of our consciousness. And that people are going for it, that that’s exciting for me. And there’s others too, I just those two come to the top of my mind.
I think you get to be a part of that when – in being in a program like Warehouse 13 where you have…
Lindsay Wagner: Yes, and they’re walking an interesting line, aren’t they.They’ve got the funny and the fun but, yes, go ahead, sorry.
But the audience is – you know, because that audience is typically one that likes science fiction and fantasy and a lot of them have very high level of education, intelligence matters to them. So I…
Lindsay Wagner: Right.
…think that you’re getting to be a part of that, and I think that’s a really nice thing. And I really appreciate you bearing your soul. A lot of people have dyslexia. I’ve know many any it is a difficult thing. We talked with Eddie Izzard a few weeks back and he had the same problem.
Lindsay Wagner: A lot of artists do. The artistic abilities – they’ve even got statistics on that – people are – tend to be very creative who have kind of classic dyslexia. It’s kind of like the balancing factor, if you will, of what – like I would – if I weren’t as creative as I was – am, I would never have gotten through school. But my creativity – I mean, there is an – a very interesting intelligence. To me, creativity is another form of intelligence.Yes. And it’s one – well, as writers you all know. You know, you’re kind of – you kind of are blending both worlds — the left brain, right brain. But that creativity part if – allows you to think things – think outside the box, think -you know, put things together that aren’t linear and still create a communication. I mean, it’s a – it’s something that a left brain can’t do by itself and that right brain creativity is definitely part of intelligence. And I think more and more our culture is coming to recognize that.
Tony Tellado: Hi Lindsay, it’s a real pleasure to talk to you. I’ve been a fan of yours for a long time. Just have a question. And just how – in your career how you’ve seen, especially this type of show, which is similar to the bionic woman have kind of had a chance to reflect as you work on Warehouse 13 how much this type of show has changed as far as the filming of it with all the effects and things? And also, even just how it’s perceived by the public compared to how it used to be.
Lindsay Wagner: Well, certainly, the technology is humorously, profoundly advance compared to what we had to work with back then. But – and the audience expects more today. It’s just been – it’s been very interesting doing it because even as technology was advancing, I wasn’t doing that type of thing when I was doing all the movies and miniseries and stuff like that that I was doing. Other than explosions and things like that upon occasion but even it wasn’t – there wasn’t even a whole lot of that. So, doing this has been interesting and fun just to watch what they do and learn how to – how they do it.My – I’ve learned actually more because I’m not in as much of the, like, the characters of Pete and Myka they’re – and even Artie. They’re typically the ones doing the stuff with the special effects because they’re putting the artifacts in the bag and all that kind of stuff where they’re having – or turning into something. My character is usually not involved in that part of it a couple times. So, I still haven’t had the opportunity to work a lot with that, whereas, my kids are both stuntmen and Dorian, my oldest son, he doubles as – he was a stunt double for the Silver Surfer on – he was…
Tony Tellado: Oh.
Lindsay Wagner: …Tomar Re – he played Tomar Re in the – he was the character and did all the – I think they dubbed his voice with somebody else’s voice but he is the character of Tomar Re in The Green Lantern.
Tony Tellado: Yes.
Lindsay Wagner: And now he’s going – he is the stunt double for the new Robocop.
Tony Tellado: Oh, great.
Lindsay Wagner: He’s – I’ve learned more about what they do today through him than doing the Warehouse 13 and it’s just fun to hear about it and see some of it. And he does a lot of wire work so…
Tony Tellado: Wow.
Lindsay Wagner: …he’s used to wearing those suits with the dots all over it for – especially for Tomar Re because they CGI’d the visual of what Tomar Re looked like over him, you know, over his – and it was – but that was his body and his movements and stuff. So…
Tony Tellado: Very, very cool. Do you think there is a story to tell yet with Jaime Sommers or is that chapter do you think or the story over?
Lindsay Wagner: You know, personally, I can see a story but it means taking the show to another level, not trying to repeat the show. And that’s – you know, repeating the show in the style that things to tend to want to be today is just another show.One of the reasons I think it didn’t work when we tried to do that is that they tried to do just – they were doing kind of just that. They just took the concept and made it into a show like things today and – but that isn’t what it was and that isn’t what people were wanting to see again.It was fun, it was – there was levity, there was, you know, there was, you know, yes – what’s the work I want – suspense and all that kind of thing. But, it was – but what we were doing was new and there – by the time the second one came out, there was nothing new about having powers. There was nothing new about the show at all; we had – other than the – changing what was expected. That was new, but not new as in anything special about the show.And, you know, for me I see – I saw taking it into more of – I mean, if I were going to remake it, I would take it more into what she found out…
Tony Tellado: Cool.
Lindsay Wagner: Remember the episode, the “Biofeedback”. I don’t know if you remember that. Where they…
Tony Tellado: I think so, yes. It’s…
Lindsay Wagner: …where the scientists could control his heart and his mind and all that.
Tony Tellado: Yes, yes, because I’ve actually watched it before it was – I watched it live before it was DVRs and all that stuff.
Lindsay Wagner: Yes. That – I see taking it and launching off of that.
Tony Tellado: Oh, cool.
Lindsay Wagner: That -you know, if I was going to be involved in remaking that. To me, it was about taking her into another consciousness level of understanding that physical power is just that no matter how strong it is, and that there’s always somebody who can end up being stronger than you. So what’s -you know, so what’s the big deal.And, whereas, finding the strength within the person, within that human being, the extraordinariness of human beings and what – how we’re really made up. To me, the things that I’ve learned and studied about what Yogis can do and people, you know, who’ve done – you know, everybody knows the story about the mother lifted the Volkswagen off the kid, right.
Tony Tellado: Yes.
Lindsay Wagner: She – her mind just didn’t, in that moment, stay limited to what she’d been told and that she wasn’t strong enough to pick up a car. And so, we are extraordinary human beings. I mean, we are – human beings are extraordinary I should say. And people tend to want to write all this fantasy stuff but it’s coming – even fantasy is coming out of – you can’t write – you can’t even fantasize something that there isn’t some potential flaw that was in you…
Tony Tellado: Right.
Lindsay Wagner: …because you didn’t think it. It couldn’t come out of your consciousness. You know what I’m saying.
Tony Tellado: Yes.
Lindsay Wagner: So, I would see taking her into that, to where she goes beyond and learns to – learns things beyond physical strength. Like – what’s that martial arts, it’s – I can almost…
Tony Tellado: There’s so many.
Lindsay Wagner: It’s about…
Tony Tellado: Krav Maga?
Lindsay Wagner: But it’s all about energy. It’s all about moving energy. It’s way advanced – Tai Chi for example, Chi-Gong. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen any videos or anything about really high level Chi-Gong masters. But, they literally – when they’re teaching their students, I’ve seen things where they have them – a student try to attack them and their mental ability is what you see on Alphas, for example today.
Tony Tellado: Yes.
Lindsay Wagner: I mean, their ability to use their energy and the person ends up never even getting to them before they flop over because they can project their energy in such a way that that happens. So that’s what I’m saying, I think to make The Bionic Woman interesting again is to have her – show that she’s absorbed the – all that there could be learned from having extra, physical strength and all the limitations of it and went deeper. To me, that would be interesting. I don’t know…
Tony Tellado: Yes.
Lindsay Wagner: …to anybody else, but…
Tony Tellado: It gets my vote, it certainly does and I hope Syfy’s listening.
Lindsay Wagner: Okay.
Tony Tellado: Thank you very much. It’s been a pleasure talking to you.
Lindsay Wagner: You too, thanks. Bye.
But, is it safe to say that your character can – the new episodes – that Artie is hiding a big secret.
Lindsay Wagner: I think in this next episode, she’s more confused about what’s going on.I think they are – because they are spending – they’ve now moved their relationship to a different level… …and they are having these rendezvous – weekend rendezvous and where they’re not working, they’re not in that environment. So Artie’s a lot more relaxed and whatnot, but until something happens in this episode, which, you know, all I’ll say about it is that Alice escapes from the mirror and wreaks havoc on our weekend together, which we were totally not expecting.And Artie’s reaction to that is very confusing to Vanessa and very upsetting because she’s – you know, they’ve been having such a wonderful time, it’s not making any sense to her. So she hasn’t quite figured out what the heck’s going on, obviously something. But, it’s – I think I would say more confusing than her saying aha I figured this out, you’re hiding a secret. Yes, it’s obvious but, it’s painful.
And you were talking before about putting some of your own things into the show and your character. How would you say that you are very different from your character in real life?
Lindsay Wagner: I’m not sure I’d be very good at living a dual life like that or there’d have to be a really good reason for me these day, because it’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of work to hide kind of your life. And, obviously, she’s got – she’s very dedicated to something that’s very important to her and so I guess we can all summon that if we needed, but if it’s important enough to us. But, I’m not sure I’d want to have to do that.
I was curious, your character is normal on Warehouse 13 but she did cross over from one episode with Alphas, which is a very different show and tone and…then, of course, completely different cast. How was that experience and did you have to adjust your performance at all? How was the experience?
Lindsay Wagner: It was – you know, it was very small. It was very short. It was the beginning of the season and they were just trying to bring the attention to it and thought of crossing over and bringing, you know, bringing a name to it, as many names as they could early on. As, of course, getting people’s attention to come and check out the new show. And it wasn’t really that different because for the most part, it wasn’t – there was no humor to be played or had, obviously. But…
Was it – did it feel kind of odd taking this character into a whole new cast? I mean, did it feel – I mean, feel a little out of place or did – we’re they all welcoming and just kind of…
Lindsay Wagner: Oh, yes, they were pretty nice. You know, it was still pretty new at the time and all crews and cast and everybody kind of trying to find their way. It wasn’t as settled in and comfortable as a crew and a cast that had been together for a year now and kind of figured out where they’re going with what. Everybody was feeling the massaging, but everybody was very nice. It was just not a well-oiled machine yet. And…when I came into Warehouse, it was definitely a well-oiled machine by that time.
And did they ever say you might make another appearance now (unintelligible) or is that just kind of a one-time thing?
Lindsay Wagner: No, I think it was just a one-time thing. I think it was just an attention getter to get people to watch the show.
What else – so, is there anything else you can tell us about this episode with your character that you haven’t already told us?
Lindsay Wagner: Well, I don’t want to ruin the whole surprise. Other than you’re going to see a side
How do you find balance?
Lindsay Wagner: Well, I love nature. I love playing with my dogs. I – the gentler things tend to be more fun for me than sensational. I do not like (unintelligible), that type of thing is not fun for me, that’s terrorizing.I just – I love being out in nature. I love hanging out with my kids and family and joking around and it’s pretty simple docile stuff. I like – I enjoy traveling. I have traveled a lot in my life and I’ve enjoyed travel, although I’m kind of not as into as I used to be, which is an interesting thing for me because I have loved it. I mean, I used to do a lot of photography and traveled to all different places around the world and it’s interesting that I don’t have as much of a drive for that anymore. But – and how do I find balance? I do a lot of meditation and I do clearing practices, which are kind of things that I teach in my workshops. That’s very helpful to me. And my spiritual life is very important to me. Always has been and it kept me going through times when I wasn’t so balanced. But maybe I would’ve ended up worse had I didn’t have it. And it’s (unintelligible) enhanced my life and sense of everyday peace and openness and forgiveness and all those kinds of things that we strive for that are kind of harder, I think, when we’re younger. And definitely, it’s been a big part of my life.
Can you describe what it was like to receive the Emmy for Bionic Woman?
Lindsay Wagner: That was interesting. I truly did not think that that was going to happen. I was just really happy to have been nominated, and not because I didn’t think that I deserved it but, as a – as far as my performing ability, but because our show was such a different genre. We were put in the category of dramatic actress or dramatic series and so to have (Zeta Thompson) and – I can’t – I’m trying to remember the name of the show. I want to say House but that’s not right.It was something like that, yes. Which is – all the other shows were very serious drama shows and ours was clearly not a serious drama show in that way. And, so I just thought that was wonderful that I was nominated so I didn’t – I truly did not have anything prepared. You know, a lot of people say oh I didn’t think this was going to happen but I just happen to have a speech in my pocket in case, so when they pull this paper our, right. I just really did not even have that.I – and I was dumbfounded and I was panicked going up to the podium because I so did not expect it that I didn’t have anything written down and I was shocked and excited and blown away, all that kind of stuff. But, I – at the moment I was stunned and so afraid that I would forget everybody that I was supposed to thank that – or that I would like to have thanked, let me put it that way, that it was causing my mind to not be able to remember anything. I forgot to thank my manager and it was – and a couple of other people.And so, unfortunately, it wasn’t just joy for me, it was kind of fear and panic of oh my God, what do I say, I don’t know what to say, I don’t know what (unintelligible), all of that. So it wasn’t as much fun in that moment as it could’ve been had a not had to worry about that. You know what I’m saying. But, once that part was over and I did what I could and went backstage and then they take – you can take photographs and what not with the Emmys. It was starting to sink in and I was starting to let myself just enjoy it. So, that’s what it was like for me.
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